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friday evening you're listening to me

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heidi hollis the outlanders welcome to

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the show everybody i've been gone for a

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little bit a couple of weeks

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you know it was vacation time middle of

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the summer i had to go have some fun

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and i came back with a wonderful bug

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can you hear it in my voice i'm still

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getting over it but it's okay um i

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should first tell you guys what this

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program is about this show is about

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bringing

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outlandish and interesting topics to the

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forefront from aliens angels ghosts

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demons holy encounters shadow people to

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bigfoot too

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the outlandish i always say if it's

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weird we're here and now you are too so

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you are among friends

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if you do not know who i am i will

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challenge you to go check out something

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that my parents i don't know if they've

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even seen it um

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i want you to go to my main website

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which is heidi hollis.com it's really

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hard but

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when it comes to the outlandish you

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should know this personally i'm someone

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who has been there seen that experienced

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it freaked out found some answers wrote

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about it got over it and now i'm hoping

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to help others do the same thing and

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understand this kooky kooky world of

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ours so please do go over to my website

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and you will find so much stuff over

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there it'll blow your mind

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and i want to tell you guys how you

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could also hear this program we have

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another phone number that you could dial

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my parents do this they dial a number

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and they listen to the whole show

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this way so just dial eight three two

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two eight zero zero eight three zero

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and uh yeah it's pretty awesome and if

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you wanna join in the chat room

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and you can listen to the show go to i

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n chat.com

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and you can listen it right there and i

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always welcome people to call into the

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program

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or send your messages during the live

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1-888-919-2355 or skype

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your comments and questions to

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just look for inception radio network

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it's pretty easy and one thing important

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to note this show does get re-broadcast

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several times over and most of you

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listen to the show through the app

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and other means we're all over the place

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i heart and all sorts of stuff so people

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don't often get the time

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to

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listen live and respond live so i get it

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you guys got spoiled it's okay but uh

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you just limit yourself to be able to

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call into the show that's all good but

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the people in the chat room if you have

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questions just cap

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your comments and questions if it's for

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and i will definitely address it to

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the guests

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but not if you're sending like 10 and

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it's like why aren't you asking my

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funny um so i see my oh my good friend

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melissa she's in the chat room hi

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melissa my good friend russ geno bonnie

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everybody's hanging in there how's it

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going um so

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when i see skies in there as well so

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anyways

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oh this has been so overdue but i have

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to tell you guys tonight i am once again

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gonna forego

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the outlandish corner and what is the

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outlandish corner it's where i take your

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stories about anything out of the

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ordinary if you just want to share your

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story or if you need some level-headed

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advice i welcome you to write me and i

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am trying to stick more to that where i

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do my first 30 minutes of all my shows

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answering your emails because a lot of

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people have been writing me saying they

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missed that part and honestly it's my

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favorite part too but sometimes

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sometimes i get these stories

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that i just have to give the whole show

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to him and tonight is one of those

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nights

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but you could still write me at dusk

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that's diaz and david a s as in sam

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outlander

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gmail.com still send over your

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experiences and your questions and uh i

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will get to them i have hordes of them

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and i am getting through them it's okay

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we can do this

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oh my gosh so you guys are in for a

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treat

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several years back i had these folks

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it was so fascinating it was so much i

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had to break it into two

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shows and i didn't know that i would

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oh my goodness it was just that

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fascinating but anyways i'm gonna do the

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introduction to them and i'm going to

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let you

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get on with this fascinating story so

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anyways up the people in the chat room

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saying that no one has audio so

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something's up mj will take care of it

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something's going goofy

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network stuff so anyways i'm going to

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chad

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and alta dillard who met and married in

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the early 90s in the city of little rock

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arkansas

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the marriage was one of destiny and as

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alta would say arranged hmm

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what they did not know is that from that

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moment on the couple

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would partake in a journey into the

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world of unknown and high strangeness

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from aliens to ghosts gosh it sounds

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like my intro

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to a shape shifter

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from meeting people

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who have been seen and some unseen

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this is a story for the open-minded they

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are the brilliant authors of the

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unbelievable and awesome book called

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or abducted

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my goodness you guys are in for a treat

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tonight i want to give a round of

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applause to chad and alta dillard

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they're they're going crazy chad and

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also how the heck are you two doing it's

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yeah how are you and thank you so much

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for having us back and wow fabulous

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the best ever thank you

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all right well cool

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yeah you know your story stuck with me

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my goodness you two

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i i remember that you two were really

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how can i i i want to say this this

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gently but it really wasn't it you guys

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were desperate to get your story out

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there and it was like people just

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weren't giving you that avenue or

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whatever has been going on you know the

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hidden hand the behind the scenes

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we just can't stress enough how grateful

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we are that you remember us and that

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you've had us on and gave us that voice

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voice for us because you're right that's

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all we've ever tried to do is

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essentially begin this whole process

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with what i was thinking was getting

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uh whatever that means and then you know

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our support and

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just kind of hitting one roadblock after

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in you know some of the strangest kinds

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of setups and

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and bizarreness and again i borrowed the

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term high strangeness years ago and i

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just stick with it it seems to explain

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everything but

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it fits

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i i get it it i just you know i remember

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when i first spoke to you guys and

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you're just like oh we've run into you

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know this kind of a researcher and that

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kind of a researcher and people just

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weren't understanding they weren't you

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know they were

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just being so deceptive in the way that

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they treated you and i was like i felt

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like apologizing but i i understood

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though too i've been in this for a long

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time and i've met a lot of ego out there

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that's like

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what on earth this is not about egos

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about getting a story and message out

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there and and i could tell that you guys

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were so sincere about what it is that

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you experienced and how desperate you

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were to get it out there and i was like

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heck yeah get on this show

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again thank goodness you exist just

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thank goodness you exist oh gosh man

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thank goodness you guys didn't give up

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mean i i don't even know where to begin

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because it's just so mind-blowing please

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you both walk us through

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your your your intro into

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chad's pointing at me and usually he

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does that to begin this process so

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you know it's right yeah yeah that's

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hysterical heidi and the boss is like

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the funniest i've heard all day and

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thanks for that

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because i'm 10 years older than chad as

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you know we have a 10-year age

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elder here in that regards and so

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nothing wrong with that sister

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chad and i have just

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had 27 years of you know marital

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high strangeness and amazingness

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uh just this last july so with no

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children we made a decision when we

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my words arranged in 1990 and then

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married a year later in 91 that

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you know i was all for this just as long

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as he understood i didn't have desire or

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interest in having children and he

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seemed to be in agreement with me and so

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far again you know we are

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plugging through this craziness as i've

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always said they never gave us a book of

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rules and so

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without a book of rules you just kind of

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stumble your way through and i've

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certainly done a lot of that all right

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yeah

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partner just kind of rolling with me

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so how did how did things start off for

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in the your immediate environment

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so first oh first i have to say i hope

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that you two are both safe you're down

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there uh where are you located exactly

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just outside of new orleans about 15

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miles outside of new orleans and thank

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you for that and you know we send out

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our highest to everyone around us chad's

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got a lot of family in the area that's

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been hit in texas and so thank you for

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that yeah my gosh i hope you stay safe

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and all your friends and family as well

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it's

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horrific what's been going on the

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weather weather patterns are bizarre

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absolutely absolutely bizarre

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so yeah my uh

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grandmother's name was irma

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and uh

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this is the newest one building

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this is the newest one that's out there

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uh you know

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possibly heading our way is irma

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and that was my grandmother's name yeah

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holy smokes grandma's coming for a visit

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yeah well she got alzheimer's she had

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alzheimer's so we're pretty we're just

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hoping that she forgets where she's

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going right just sits out there and dies

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down

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wow my goodness yeah well thoughts and

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prayers to you out there and of course

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to the folks in houston my goodness i i

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have a niece that just moved out there

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like less than a month ago and i'm like

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i couldn't get a hold of her i'm like ah

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it turns out i had the wrong number

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oh

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she had three different phone numbers

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and i'm texting the wrong one and

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calling the wrong one so yeah so but

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she's good all as well so but uh still

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so many people are so desperate so

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thoughts and prayers to the

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the flood victims out there my goodness

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but uh getting back to you guys so you

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had um

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you had a trip into the unknown

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starting in 1995 when you experienced

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your first ufo sighting correct

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right essentially and i'll just say this

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very quickly to get us to that period

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chad and i as i've always used the words

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arranged in 1990 with

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a lot of high strangeness

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on valentine's day 1990 we were a blind

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date that didn't happen that ended up

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happening anyway and again a lot of high

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strangeness involved in that encounter

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and then i'll suffice to say just

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just to keep people understanding

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uh this very strange connection that

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i've always seen and never understood

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is we discovered within 24 hours of chad

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and i meeting

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that his grandfather who had passed on

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by the time that i met chad

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his natural name his birth name is alta

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which of course is my name and his last

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name is duncan and that's my mother's

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name

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and i'm i'm mixed indian from

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reservation area of arizona with no

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arkansas in my family that i'm aware of

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in any way chad's from arkansas with no

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indian in his family in any way and to

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this day we've never been able to

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understand or find out

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how in the world his grandfather

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had the first name particularly alton is

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just mind-blowing and as i always say

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what are the odds

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i mean i just i can't begin to wrap my

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mind around it so that of course was the

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beginning of

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making me very aware something was real

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strange going on here and and then

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blended with you know new love and all

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of that and having fun and what have you

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and so you know we'll just go ahead and

362
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now move us into 1995 chad and i my

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mother had left she was living in

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arkansas had left the area moved to

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louisiana

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at that time she's living kinda out in

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the swamp areas of louisiana

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chad and i were living somewhere else

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she let us know where she was at and

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that she was asking if we'd be

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interested in coming and joining her and

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we certainly were

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chad and i relocated to louisiana so at

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this time now in 95 we're living

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about an hour outside of new orleans

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in a

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outside of a small community called

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hammond louisiana which at the time or

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still is a small college town or a

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university town now we live several

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miles outside of that kind of as i say

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out in a rural area i'll have chad share

383
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with you now

384
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what happened in 95 that basically i

385
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feel really started waking us up to this

386
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i'm not sure what to call any of it

387
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anymore

388
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yeah we had just kind of come into town

389
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uh and

390
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the the road kind of makes it a bit

391
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there's a bend in the road and there's a

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group of trees

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uh big tall pines and back behind that

394
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were

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was the local walmart shopping center

396
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when we come around the corner

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around this bin uh past these trees we

398
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look up in the air and you know we were

399
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going in for dinner but it was early

400
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dinner it wasn't like late you know it

401
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was still light outside so we could see

402
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you know

403
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fairly well

404
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but when we get around this group of

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trees there's this

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craft in the sky

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and i mean it's it's huge it's it's

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i mean it's bigger than the walmart

409
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it's like

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battleship or stadium or

411
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the sky it just filled the sky it was

412
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huge

413
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it was very very dark

414
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uh very black it um

415
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kind of shaped like a rectangle but not

416
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as wide on one end as the other

417
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it had two or three lights on the you

418
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know on the smaller end three or four

419
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lights on the the wider end

420
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moving very very slow even if at all

421
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you know because it was just like

422
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almost hovering but i i do believe it

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was

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moving

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now

426
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as far as the traffic on the street you

427
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know nobody was pulling over and you

428
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know no panic no people pointing their

429
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their fingers in the sky or anything

430
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like that

431
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but alton

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both look up at it at the same time

433
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i look down i'm driving it's on the

434
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right hand side of the road i'm driving

435
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i i look kind of down at her she turns

436
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to look at me real quick

437
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and

438
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i look back up at it

439
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just to make sure i saw what i thought i

440
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:21,040
saw and i saw what i saw

441
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and i just

442
00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:23,920
it

443
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looking forward

444
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i i faced ford like

445
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you know focus my attention back on the

446
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road and

447
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,720
it was like in my mind i was like

448
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:39,040
wanting to i was saying like

449
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you know okay if we don't look at it if

450
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,680
we don't see it it don't see us and i

451
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didn't you know nothing going on here

452
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:50,000
you know it was like you know it's

453
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:52,079
like alta says sometimes i it's like our

454
00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:56,800
brain exploded you know it was just so

455
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,000
wow

456
00:17:02,829 --> 00:17:00,240
because it was just huge and it was like

457
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,839
right there in the open sky you

458
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,199
know cloud level

459
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:07,919
and i guess that was our first that was

460
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,480
really my first experience as far as

461
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:12,000
like you know

462
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,439
not uh you know opening my eyes to

463
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,120
different things

464
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:19,679
wow so at that time cat and i oh i'm

465
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,400
sorry no i was just i so that that's

466
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,959
what really got you guys to open up your

467
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,720
minds to other realities which hello

468
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:28,960
that's like a big smack in the face like

469
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,230
but the here

470
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,640
thing is we never talked about it when

471
00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:36,799
we went on to dinner that night

472
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,200
we didn't speak about it we don't we

473
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:40,880
didn't talk about it we didn't

474
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:43,440
acknowledge it we just went on about our

475
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,720
our evening

476
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,799
the next morning the only reason we

477
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,720
talked about we talked about is we saw

478
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:50,960
something in the news

479
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,919
and

480
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:53,919
we're like okay other people had

481
00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:56,320
reported it in that area

482
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so

483
00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:00,080
uh you know we knew we weren't crazy but

484
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i mean

485
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:02,799
you know we it didn't turn us into like

486
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:05,360
researchers and starting to i mean we

487
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,000
never we never spoke about it and we'd

488
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,160
like for folks to also be aware of the

489
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,799
fact that neither one of us up until

490
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uh sometime later actually a couple

491
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,160
years later

492
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,720
um ever had any interest in this area

493
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:19,840
either

494
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,520
chad may have had a little more interest

495
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,080
in sci-fi than i did but i have none

496
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,679
and i certainly had no interest right i

497
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had no interest in space other than

498
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,840
beautiful stars that was it as far as i

499
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was concerned so

500
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:34,799
again this was an experience that was

501
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,760
just too big it was just too big

502
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to too big to comprehend

503
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:42,000
right behavior and our reaction of

504
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,840
course we're repeating exactly as we

505
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,080
remember experiencing it

506
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:48,480
as we sit and i listened to us you know

507
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:50,640
going back through all of this i can't

508
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,000
believe how we acted either but

509
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,240
it is sure how we acted which was we

510
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
didn't yeah

511
00:19:01,750 --> 00:19:00,000
if it happened tomorrow i'd be pulling

512
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,760
over i mean right

513
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,760
very different but you know that that's

514
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,000
a common theme though people say you

515
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,080
know i experienced something and i just

516
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:10,480
it just left my mind you know it's a

517
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,640
it's one of those things it's like a

518
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:14,480
a planted

519
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,600
action to have or something right

520
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,360
we're so bizarre

521
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:24,630
i'm sorry oh no just going forward yeah

522
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,840
yeah

523
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,120
we um

524
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,080
we leave that area fairly shortly after

525
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,080
this experience happened and we decided

526
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:33,760
to move to the french quarter which as i

527
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,720
said earlier is somewhere around an hour

528
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,640
away

529
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:40,720
i'll preface all of this to begin that

530
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,559
portion of this story which is

531
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,880
essentially what this book is about

532
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:46,000
we

533
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,600
moved there extremely naive very naive

534
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:51,840
and when i say that we were not prepared

535
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,880
for

536
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,760
uh

537
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,160
for anything to do with voodoo hoodoo

538
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:58,640
witchcraft vampires

539
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,840
just we're not prepared for any of that

540
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,600
in the sense that you know again had no

541
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,120
knowledge on it chad may have had a

542
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:06,880
little more than i did but again i had

543
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,840
none

544
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,679
and wasn't interested particularly

545
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,520
either

546
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,600
and we certainly had no

547
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:15,440
comprehension of

548
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:16,559
the cost

549
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,120
the financial cost we were not prepared

550
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,679
for that either so because of that

551
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:23,600
now again looking back on all of this

552
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,559
i'm sure everything feels arranged to me

553
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,559
and maybe that's just become my excuse i

554
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:30,400
don't know but because all of this has

555
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,159
just been so

556
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,559
mind-blowing we end up our first

557
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:36,400
apartment is on the outskirts of the

558
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:37,440
quarter

559
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,960
13 blocks

560
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,720
uh square

561
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,600
so

562
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:46,000
we're in the least expensive area which

563
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,280
is the outer

564
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,960
perimeter of it

565
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,799
and it happens to be a small little cute

566
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:52,880
apartment above the original voodoo

567
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:54,080
temple

568
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,280
thought that it was 16 1700s but we've

569
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,520
just learned recently because i do i

570
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,120
stay constantly

571
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,120
staying open and researching and trying

572
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:06,960
to get as much information as i can

573
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,520
about everything we've been through

574
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,760
still a lot of mystery so anyhow we've

575
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:14,080
just discovered that that location was

576
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,960
built

577
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:17,760
i believe about 1829

578
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,960
so it's still its original structures uh

579
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,559
so the structures of course the voodoo

580
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,799
temple above the temple are two small

581
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,000
apartments

582
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,760
uh there's a large at the time i

583
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,360
understood it was the largest courtyard

584
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,280
in the french quarter

585
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,039
along one side of the courtyard is the

586
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,559
voodoo priestess

587
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:35,520
her

588
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,360
you will

589
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,679
i might add at the end of that was a you

590
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,159
know a chicken coop full of chickens

591
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,640
which was pretty mind-blowing to see in

592
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,039
the middle of the french quarter

593
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,280
and then across on the other side of the

594
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,360
courtyard was another

595
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,360
set of it was a large building a

596
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,120
two-story if i'm not mistaken that had

597
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,280
been converted into small efficiency

598
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,280
apartments if i understand correctly

599
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:02,880
that had been the original slave

600
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,120
quarters oh so right so keeping that all

601
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,480
in mind

602
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:10,400
that's what we moved into

603
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:11,280
and

604
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,679
as i say naive

605
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,240
and so it didn't take long at all for

606
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,280
both of us to start having experiences

607
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,159
i call them ghosties

608
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,720
chad had an absolute direct up close and

609
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,200
personal encounter with what he believes

610
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,600
is the voodoo priest that had died

611
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,679
just prior to us moving there

612
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,200
again i don't know how much time there

613
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,120
is so i'm trying to just you know get it

614
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,880
kind of said and you you stopped me

615
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,120
heidi if you no it's all good hey we've

616
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,520
got seven minutes to break it's all good

617
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,440
well chad you want to share your

618
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,679
experience with the voodoo priest that

619
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:48,880
had died

620
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,240
yeah if you don't mind uh

621
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,880
it was like the first week we

622
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:56,320
were living there

623
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,200
and

624
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,200
i i kept feeling like something was

625
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,520
crawling across my chest as we were

626
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,120
sleeping that night so i'd wake up and

627
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,440
i'd scratch i'd wake up and i scratched

628
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,640
well

629
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,799
waking up the next day you know i'd lay

630
00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:09,679
i

631
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,720
statured

632
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,520
african-american man

633
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,440
uh now i could only see him from his

634
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,000
waist up from his waist down was like a

635
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,840
misty kind of cloudy

636
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,720
yeah and but yeah it was like and he was

637
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,480
you know just kind of horizontal you

638
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,080
know we were like almost face to face

639
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,480
kind of like i mean he was you know arm

640
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,480
distance away from me but

641
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:51,200
you know he's just floating above the

642
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,400
bed

643
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:53,600
and

644
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,400
know he he had no shirt on he just had

645
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,480
like some african beads and trinkets

646
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:01,840
around his neck

647
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,120
uh in very short uh afro

648
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,360
but he would take his finger

649
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,760
and tickle me on my chest and it was

650
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,760
right around my heart area

651
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,919
and i'd go up to that scratch

652
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,840
and he'd pull away

653
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:18,400
and then you know he did this again four

654
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,279
or five

655
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,760
not times throughout the night

656
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,000
well i get home and of course out to be

657
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,679
a native american we've always had our

658
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,679
sage burn and all that kind of stuff so

659
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,240
i get home i'll just not at work i'll

660
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,520
just work so i'm there by myself so i

661
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,679
get i get in there and i get that sager

662
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,520
going i got her fan

663
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,600
her uh

664
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,840
her dance fan and i got it going i mean

665
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,720
it's it's smoking up in there you know

666
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,039
and i'm like hey you know

667
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,039
you ain't got to go anywhere

668
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,039
i said i'm going to paint this apartment

669
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,279
and clean it up i said well i said we're

670
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,200
going to have us a nice place just leave

671
00:25:03,350 --> 00:24:57,760
me alone

672
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,360
us alone

673
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,559
and uh

674
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,279
so you know i go on never had any more

675
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,520
issues with that

676
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,480
uh a couple months later another couple

677
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,679
had had been moved that had been married

678
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,400
by the voodoo priest

679
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,240
they moved into the apartment down below

680
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,159
us and they were showing their us their

681
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,720
wedding pictures and they said oh yeah

682
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,360
and here's priest such and such

683
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:29,039
and i looked at it and i'm like oh my

684
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:31,039
god and i told them the story that i

685
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:32,400
just told you

686
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,960
and they were like yeah that sounds

687
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,279
exactly like him he was a trickster he

688
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,720
was uh

689
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,480
you know he would test you

690
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,559
and you know to see if you know he

691
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,960
wanted you to hang out with him or be in

692
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,559
his presence or

693
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,440
you know be in his space you know for

694
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,400
you know

695
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,679
course but

696
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,600
you know and

697
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,960
yeah so

698
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,440
that was really crazy

699
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,559
uh

700
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,799
so this that essentially you know was

701
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,200
our introduction if you will yeah to

702
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,039
this space and

703
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,600
this environment that was around us

704
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,320
and then i'll just kind of preface it as

705
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:13,919
we move forward

706
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:15,919
the time that we lived there

707
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:18,720
i had my own personal experiences such

708
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,400
as a virgin mary like apparition

709
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,880
encounter although she seemed to be

710
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,200
whoever this being was

711
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,520
seemed to be fully bodied

712
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,080
um it was it wasn't ghosty

713
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,320
and in that same experience this was

714
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,400
what i would call a time slip i had a

715
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,880
time slip in this apartment

716
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,640
and then along with her were three

717
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,720
females that were all

718
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,840
uh young black women that were probably

719
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,000
in their late teens

720
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,080
if 20

721
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,640
that were very tattered looking their

722
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,960
hair was crazy their dresses were

723
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,200
extremely tattered but they were the

724
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,200
most beautiful

725
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,720
energetic

726
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,320
beings that i felt like i'd ever been

727
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,720
around in my life and they were so happy

728
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,120
to be with me now again

729
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,360
i'm only describing what we experienced

730
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,320
and how we felt i'm not saying i believe

731
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:14,960
any of this it's just literally what i

732
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,840
experienced and it was mind-blowing

733
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,360
um

734
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,200
just taking place in this apartment and

735
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,960
on this property

736
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,279
if i might now again i realize time is

737
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,760
very short

738
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,840
what we've discovered is this took place

739
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,880
in 95. you left that

740
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,679
now you fast forward 10 years from 95 to

741
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:38,640
2005 you have katrina hit

742
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:42,799
katrina hits and everything is evacuated

743
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,679
now chad and i had moved in 2001 so

744
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,679
we're long gone by then

745
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,159
but in 2005 a young couple moved into

746
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,760
our apartment

747
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,480
named zach and addie if people are

748
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,880
listening google them up it'll take you

749
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,399
immediately to what we're sharing with

750
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,799
you we discovered this young couple

751
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,880
the short story on this is this young

752
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,799
couple refused to evacuate during

753
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:07,760
katrina so they also were very serious

754
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:10,240
alcoholics and drug addicts who also

755
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:11,440
were

756
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,320
and they did all their part in trying to

757
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,480
help others as well they just had these

758
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,360
other you know lifestyles so when

759
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,600
katrina hits it's perfect for them

760
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,600
because they won't evacuate so the

761
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,760
french quarter is theirs they kind of

762
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:31,039
rule

763
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:31,840
and

764
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,919
world comes back again so their world

765
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,559
changes immediately now just get you the

766
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,799
reason i bring this up is

767
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,559
he kills her

768
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,320
in this apartment

769
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,640
now he doesn't just kill her he cuts her

770
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,279
up into pieces he's got her head cooking

771
00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:53,279
in a pot he's got pieces of her in an

772
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:55,240
oven he's got pieces of her in the

773
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:58,880
refrigerator he goes over to an uh local

774
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,679
hotel a very nice expensive hotel where

775
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:03,520
all the tourists go and stay when they

776
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,559
come here he goes to the rooftop it has

777
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:07,279
a

778
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:30,640
get there

779
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,159
hold you right there because we're about

780
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,320
to go for our first break this is a good

781
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,919
way to leave people hanging you guys you

782
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:39,760
listen to me heidi how's the outlander

783
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,669
welcome back everybody you're listening

784
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,840
to me heidi hollis the outlander

785
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,360
remembering always if it's weird we're

786
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,200
here we're giving you advice and insight

787
00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:53,120
on outlandish topics

788
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:55,960
phone lines are always open

789
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,799
1-888-919-2355 and we are speaking with

790
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,960
chad and alta dillard

791
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,559
and you guys

792
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,200
this story is going to really really get

793
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,279
deep here in a minute but i wanted you

794
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,679
to finish up your story there ulta and

795
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:11,039
what you were sharing just before the

796
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,470
right so

797
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,760
i can i can just finish that up with yes

798
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,039
sharing with everyone if you're

799
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
interested in looking further at what i

800
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,120
was just mentioning about that apartment

801
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,600
this couple and this horrible

802
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,200
murder-suicide

803
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,679
a young man came out of new york city an

804
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,320
author moved moved himself to the i

805
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,760
believe he moved to the french quarter

806
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,200
relocated and

807
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,880
lived there for a long time for several

808
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,799
months uh researching this and then

809
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:42,559
wrote a book that i understand has

810
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,720
gotten grave reviews

811
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,080
and it's called

812
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:48,240
shake off the devil or shake the devil

813
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,279
off

814
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,880
and that will

815
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,840
show you that whole insane experience

816
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,600
now as i said that took place 10 years

817
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,279
after we lived there

818
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,159
now chad and i have just relocated back

819
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,240
to the new orleans area after being gone

820
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,039
for 15 years and we've discovered in the

821
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:06,880
year that we've moved back here that

822
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,080
that area that whole location has burned

823
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,880
now burned to

824
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,720
essentially you know not to the ground

825
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,640
as such but absolutely

826
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,120
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827
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,880
this is a great time to shop macy's

828
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829
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830
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831
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832
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833
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834
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835
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836
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837
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838
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839
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:48,000
location near you destroyed so that

840
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,799
temple is no longer there the apartment

841
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,399
what have you so it seems to have been

842
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,640
on a 10-year from the moment we live

843
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,600
there

844
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,360
uh kind of

845
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:59,679
i don't know what you call that just

846
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,399
just as crazy as all the rest of it

847
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,679
so

848
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,840
this ends our experience thank goodness

849
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:07,919
with that environment chad and i

850
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,120
relocate we work very hard chad's making

851
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,880
a name for himself and kind of

852
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,120
entrepreneuring in the french quarter

853
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,679
i have taken employment in a a

854
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,720
family-owned business a shop that has

855
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,360
been in business since 1929

856
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:25,120
so at that point when i went on board

857
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:28,720
they had been in business 70 years

858
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,600
they had just hired a young woman to

859
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,440
kind of run their shop and i believe

860
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,480
essentially move her into management

861
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,399
at the time now she's known as christine

862
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,159
in the book

863
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,640
i'll just give you the age range

864
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,720
i had just turned 40.

865
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,320
chad was 30 christine 24.

866
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,480
again she had never been married had no

867
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:52,399
children chad and i had never had

868
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:56,480
children keep this all in mind um

869
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,159
my in may of 97 is my birthday that was

870
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,240
when i was turning 40. my mom was

871
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,559
supposed to relocate to

872
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,240
the french quarter we had pre-rented her

873
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,000
a mother-in-law cottage

874
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,760
and had it all worked out she was in

875
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,200
poor health and we were just very

876
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,600
excited we were all going to be together

877
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,480
um that was not meant to be she died on

878
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,840
my birthday

879
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:19,120
and

880
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,159
what have you so this took place in may

881
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,240
now moved to three months later is

882
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,519
around september about where we are now

883
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,880
how interesting heidi i just realized

884
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,399
oh my goodness

885
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,960
yeah just hit me also

886
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,039
so anyhow uh

887
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,480
chad and i are i'm just really

888
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,120
in despair i'm raised and only child my

889
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:51,279
mom was my only family besides chad and

890
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,159
it was just i was in a deep despair

891
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,559
but i was maintaining i kind of became a

892
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,120
workaholic and but you know mood sat and

893
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,519
whatever i was just in a lot of pain

894
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,760
chad was as well but he was negotiating

895
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,240
he was navigating better than i was

896
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,639
christine knew that i was very sad so

897
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,560
she asked if i wanted to go out after

898
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,960
work that night into the quarter into

899
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,399
the french quarter and have dinner and

900
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,599
drinks

901
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,320
i accepted i told her let's call chad at

902
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,200
the time now chad and i had moved into

903
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,839
a beautiful again a hidden hand was

904
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:25,760
involved in this as well

905
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,280
a beautiful very expensive furnished

906
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,599
townhouse the furniture looked like

907
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,000
something out of a castle i cannot

908
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,720
exaggerate that i mean it was

909
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,280
unbelievable what we were being offered

910
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,599
at very little

911
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,560
rent

912
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,399
wow so right

913
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,119
these things just don't happen well

914
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,480
it was happening

915
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,399
it's just too good to be true you know

916
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,599
that story

917
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,839
we sure do and if we didn't we have been

918
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,960
reminded time and time again

919
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,440
so we're pretty pleased with ourselves

920
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,280
in the sense of the environment but then

921
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,760
again now you cap that off with the loss

922
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,480
of my mom and now nothing's beautiful

923
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,640
so

924
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,240
we're going to go out that evening we

925
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,160
only lived a couple blocks from the shop

926
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:14,079
so we called chad to come over and join

927
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:15,040
us

928
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,079
outside of the shop around 9 30. this is

929
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,560
when she we remember her locking the

930
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,760
doors

931
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,920
our intention is to have really no plans

932
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,599
it's going to be a very spontaneous

933
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,280
night with none of us having children we

934
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,839
didn't answer to anyone so

935
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:34,160
it was just going to be uh just out for

936
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,000
the evening try to have as much fun as

937
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:38,480
we possibly you know do

938
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,520
um

939
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,680
we don't even have any goal on where

940
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:43,359
we're going to we're just going to stop

941
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,560
we're going to start at one end of the

942
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,040
quarter and work our way across

943
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:48,160
so

944
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,200
i'll just

945
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,440
suffice to say there's more details in

946
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,560
the book

947
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,960
but essentially to get us to the other

948
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,320
end of the quarter

949
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,320
from the moment we started that evening

950
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,040
i describe it as feeling like i'm in the

951
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,640
twilight zone

952
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,480
the energy is off

953
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,800
i knew something felt weird i wasn't

954
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,720
thinking nothing paranormal high

955
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,480
strangeness none of that i'm just

956
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,440
thinking it feels weird out here

957
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,200
we got to the famous bourbon street

958
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:16,960
we're going to cross the corner on

959
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,599
bourbon from one end to the other

960
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,240
each location that we stopped at

961
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,240
there were no people and when i say

962
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,000
there were no people there were no

963
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,760
people now there were a few stragglers

964
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,040
on the street

965
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,440
it wasn't like it was completely barren

966
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,920
but it was pretty dang close to being

967
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,440
vacant

968
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:36,560
scary and

969
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,440
right

970
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,760
in each location that we stop at there's

971
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:41,920
one person either a manager or a

972
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,480
bartender but there are no patrons

973
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,720
there's no customers as we've always

974
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,640
said if they have a restaurant there's

975
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,200
no wait staff this is

976
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,960
bizarre

977
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,280
so we get to the other end of the

978
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:56,880
quarter

979
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,240
now it's around 11 o'clock

980
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:02,240
we're out there all of an hour and a

981
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,280
half

982
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,960
we haven't drank

983
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,359
and we have not had drugs

984
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,160
and as i've said always there doesn't

985
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,119
appear to be anybody around to drug us

986
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,040
right so

987
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,040
now we're on a street corner on the

988
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,720
opposite end of the quarter as i say

989
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,359
it's around 11. that is the last thing

990
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,920
the three of us collectively remember

991
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,920
is around 11 o'clock

992
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,920
the next thing i know

993
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,320
i'm coming to the next morning

994
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:32,560
i'm sitting up in my living room i'm not

995
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,599
waking up i'm coming to my eyes pop open

996
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,839
i'm rubbing my arms i feel something in

997
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,520
my upper arm

998
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,320
and i am beyond flipping out the sun is

999
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,320
blaring through my window

1000
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,560
i realize i'm in my house

1001
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,880
i'm the only one that seems to have been

1002
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,400
returned

1003
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,040
with what i call memory of between i

1004
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,960
don't have any memory of the street

1005
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,040
coming off the street and i have no

1006
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,040
memory of being returned home

1007
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,720
but i have a full

1008
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,119
complete or as complete as i am able to

1009
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,560
at this stage

1010
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,880
memory of in between

1011
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:08,000
chad

1012
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,880
uh

1013
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,800
had no memory at all

1014
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,040
and we learned

1015
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,520
sometime later that our friend had no

1016
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,920
memory at all either so all the three of

1017
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,800
us remember is 11 o'clock on that corner

1018
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,040
now several years later

1019
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,800
we had somebody

1020
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,880
give chad regression

1021
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,760
and for the sake of the story and the

1022
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,240
title of the book because we created a

1023
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,079
word in that title that we'd like for

1024
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,280
folks to

1025
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,560
you know hear

1026
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,720
and start to process because we know

1027
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,480
we're not the only ones there's got to

1028
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,800
be so many more out there

1029
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,880
that maybe have had these same kinds of

1030
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,440
experiences as what we've had but heidi

1031
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,960
if you're interested we'd have chad

1032
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:51,280
share with you that regression

1033
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,880
please do yes

1034
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,359
yeah so um

1035
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,920
again i remember that night being very

1036
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,680
strange you know just like out to

1037
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,280
describe

1038
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,480
and uh you know at our last point of

1039
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,000
what i remember is we're kind of

1040
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,079
standing uh

1041
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,680
mid block

1042
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,800
uh from this last place we attempted to

1043
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,240
go to

1044
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,520
and

1045
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,359
it's just out tonight she i believe

1046
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,880
she's sitting on the stoop and i'm

1047
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:22,240
standing

1048
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,280
and

1049
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:26,000
our friend comes to uh comes down to

1050
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,280
join us

1051
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,000
she was talking to someone else

1052
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:31,520
we

1053
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,880
remembering out to saying you know i

1054
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,040
just want to go home i'm just bored i'm

1055
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,040
over it you know let's just go home

1056
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,800
let's call it a night you know nothing's

1057
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:44,960
going on

1058
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,630
in my regression i remember us

1059
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:53,200
having this discussion

1060
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,640
and i noticed this bright light coming

1061
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:58,720
from kind of around the corner of the

1062
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,920
building

1063
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,040
and

1064
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,440
i could say it was just this very very

1065
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,040
bright light

1066
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,880
i get the girl's attention we walk

1067
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
around the corner we step you know a

1068
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,880
couple of steps around the corner and we

1069
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,720
see this orb

1070
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,480
and it's probably about 12 foot in

1071
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,000
diameter

1072
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,359
it's probably

1073
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,520
15 foot off the ground and it's about a

1074
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,079
half a block down the street this was on

1075
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:24,880
frenchman

1076
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:27,280
wow we

1077
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,000
we

1078
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:29,839
and and the light is just i mean it's

1079
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:33,200
just pure white just glowing

1080
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,720
fall of energy it's just

1081
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,560
did you see anything in this ball and

1082
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,440
was it

1083
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:41,920
were there other colored lights in it

1084
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,800
no it was just like really whites and

1085
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,240
you know very

1086
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:49,680
just pure kind of white soft

1087
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,680
soft but bright wow you know

1088
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,560
and

1089
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,680
just

1090
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:57,760
you know it's beautiful and we only saw

1091
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,480
it for like 30 seconds maybe at the most

1092
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,040
it probably wasn't even that long

1093
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,200
because when we get over and we focus

1094
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:06,800
our attention to it

1095
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,079
it comes at us and just engulfs us it

1096
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:11,920
orbits

1097
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,440
it just kind of takes us in

1098
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:17,599
my next memory

1099
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:20,480
is i'm walking down this corridor the

1100
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,160
walls are very metallic gray colored

1101
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,960
uh no rivets no bolts no seams very

1102
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:29,040
smooth

1103
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,079
i'm following this little being that's

1104
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:34,800
walking in front of me and

1105
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:35,839
the

1106
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,599
following

1107
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,640
he has a big bulbous head kind of a pale

1108
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:51,440
gray skin color he's wearing this very

1109
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,079
tight one-piece kind of jumpsuit looking

1110
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,910
now i only saw him from behind i didn't

1111
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,920
he never turned around i never saw his

1112
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,839
face or anything so i i don't know what

1113
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,280
that looks like

1114
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:07,359
and he he wasn't like the grays that you

1115
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,960
see on tv he he had substance to him you

1116
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,440
know he he was kind of dwarfish or like

1117
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,880
a small person you know he kind of

1118
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,880
waddled when he walked

1119
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,440
ah okay all right or his features

1120
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,000
similar to that of a gray though

1121
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:23,839
like i said all i saw was the back of

1122
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:27,200
his head oh the back only okay yeah

1123
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,990
i've seen one in a onesie i understand

1124
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:40,960
yeah

1125
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,040
very very tight yes yes so you're

1126
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,079
following along and i'm following along

1127
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,319
out of the corner of my eye to my left i

1128
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:54,480
could see a tall blonde female walking

1129
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,920
beside me now this does kind of describe

1130
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,880
our friend uh that was with us

1131
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,839
but

1132
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,440
you know i didn't turn to see if it and

1133
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,280
look to see if or i don't remember

1134
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,880
turning to see it and

1135
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,839
looking to see if it's her or not

1136
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,240
and i wasn't in his story yeah i never

1137
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,990
my next memory

1138
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:20,800
is i'm in this room and it just seems

1139
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,640
infinite it just seems huge

1140
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,520
that's very very dark i can't see walls

1141
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,319
or anything like that but it just

1142
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:33,920
just felt like i said infinite

1143
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,040
i could see my immediate around me again

1144
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,880
it's very very dark but i could kind of

1145
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,720
see my immediate

1146
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,520
and then off to my left

1147
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,839
i could see

1148
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,319
a tall blonde female laying on an

1149
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,920
examining table

1150
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:52,079
she was nude but she

1151
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,440
her but her

1152
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,599
body was censored from head to toe so

1153
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
again i could not see who it was or what

1154
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,440
it was or anything

1155
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,280
never seemed she

1156
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,520
this person was never in distress or

1157
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:04,720
anything

1158
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,960
uh almost like in a coma or you know

1159
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,480
something like that you know they were

1160
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,160
out right

1161
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,319
there were three beings around her one

1162
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:15,760
on each side

1163
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:19,280
one uh kind of back behind her head

1164
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,240
um

1165
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:22,880
these beings were like

1166
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,760
seven eight foot tall huge

1167
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,119
goodness

1168
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,280
their heads were

1169
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,640
kind of

1170
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:32,720
i want to say almond shaped but

1171
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,960
kind of like a praying mantis but i mean

1172
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,640
their eyes weren't up on top of their

1173
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,800
head their eyes were more you know to

1174
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,599
the center of their you know face

1175
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:43,920
uh almond kind of almond shaped eyes

1176
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:47,200
their mouth was very close to their chin

1177
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,760
uh their arms were kind of crinkled like

1178
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,000
a praying mantis

1179
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:54,319
uh they were wearing these

1180
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,200
uh

1181
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,839
cloaks kind of like a grim reaper or a

1182
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,560
jesuit priest kind of like you know

1183
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,240
all right

1184
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,560
again i never see any kind of probing or

1185
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,800
poking or you know i never saw any kind

1186
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:08,560
of instruments or anything it was just

1187
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,000
like they were examining them or maybe

1188
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,680
with their mind or something i don't

1189
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,960
know

1190
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,520
that's crazy goodness

1191
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,839
i didn't see any kind of instrument

1192
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,760
what's your emotion at that time i mean

1193
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,400
were you just in a state of shock or

1194
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,319
numb or

1195
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,280
curious but i mean i i was never in

1196
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,680
distress never scared they were anxious

1197
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,560
never

1198
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,920
nervous

1199
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,720
nothing like that it was like

1200
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,000
just like

1201
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,040
okay here's what's going on i'm just i

1202
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,280
was just like an observer i see yeah i

1203
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:45,680
was taking it as it comes i i wasn't

1204
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,280
getting panicky or anything like that

1205
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,680
and it's things are happening so quickly

1206
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,560
too

1207
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,960
and again this is this is my regression

1208
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,280
so and there's there's pieces missing

1209
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,599
you know what where did i how did i get

1210
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,760
into this room you know from the hallway

1211
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:03,599
just you know different things like that

1212
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,720
so

1213
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,510
i focused my attention back to my

1214
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,599
immediate now look over to my right and

1215
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,400
there's this little blue beam

1216
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:17,040
and he's just this vibrant

1217
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,400
neon

1218
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,440
just

1219
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:21,680
awesome blue

1220
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,480
uh

1221
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,040
now he looked exactly like you know the

1222
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,599
gray aliens that you see on communion or

1223
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:29,359
something like that

1224
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,319
uh

1225
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,839
his presence

1226
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,640
his

1227
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,040
aura

1228
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:38,160
was that of like a

1229
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,309
uh healer

1230
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:46,800
you know just this old just

1231
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,839
ancient knowledge kind of just

1232
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,880
you know

1233
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,839
and

1234
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:54,560
again just very loving

1235
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,280
and healing

1236
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:59,280
and but he goes over and he gets this

1237
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,119
boxing he

1238
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,440
has it in his right hand

1239
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,280
and he takes his left hand and he puts

1240
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,599
it into the side of the box and when he

1241
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,119
pulls his hand out there's this

1242
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,119
substance kind of free-floating above

1243
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,359
his hand a couple of inches

1244
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,119
and it's about the size of a half a

1245
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,599
dollar it's kind of almost brown but

1246
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,680
again it's kind of undulating and moving

1247
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,200
around

1248
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:23,520
and it's blue the same color colors he

1249
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,119
is it has little metal sparkly looking

1250
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,280
glittery looking things floating around

1251
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,960
in it

1252
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,000
and

1253
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,680
i don't even remember him setting the

1254
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,200
box down but

1255
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,119
all of a sudden he takes his right hand

1256
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:40,240
again he now he's only got four digits

1257
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,960
so

1258
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,200
he takes his two middle fingers and puts

1259
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:45,040
him up almost kind of like in a peace

1260
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,240
sign

1261
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,040
and his outer fingers he pulls in kind

1262
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,960
of towards his

1263
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,480
palm as his hand

1264
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,160
almost like you see

1265
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,800
you know a jesuit priest or other i'm

1266
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,829
the saints or the pictures oh okay oh

1267
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,119
yes okay

1268
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,960
right right okay they got their just

1269
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,800
kind of two fingers up in there and

1270
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,720
meditation or whatever

1271
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:11,119
and when he does this

1272
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,000
this

1273
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,960
substance starts spinning and it's going

1274
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:17,040
just fast i mean

1275
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,000
super

1276
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,800
sonic fast you know and when it does

1277
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,640
this this

1278
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,359
the blueness and the sparkly glittery

1279
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,440
stuff kind of dissipate out of it and

1280
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:28,800
it's kind of

1281
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,680
free-floating around it you know almost

1282
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,520
rotating around it like the sun and the

1283
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,599
planets and the you know stars and all

1284
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,119
that stuff

1285
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,119
and

1286
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,760
it starts kind of slowing down

1287
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,839
and when it's just kind of barely

1288
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,800
turning

1289
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,800
you know real slow

1290
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,720
i could tell it had turned into this

1291
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:49,599
like

1292
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:54,790
pyramid crystal

1293
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,309
and i remember thinking to him you know

1294
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,559
why are you showing this to me

1295
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,720
i'm not a doctor i'm not a scientist i'm

1296
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:08,240
not an engineer

1297
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,000
you know why are you showing this to me

1298
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:12,800
this is something very important

1299
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:15,920
and he told me that i would know in time

1300
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,190
so it did did any any like extra insight

1301
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:28,559
come to you with that message

1302
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,520
you know

1303
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,400
not not directly from him yet so i'm

1304
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,079
kind of really waiting

1305
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,559
now back then i think it

1306
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,880
you know i was thinking this might be

1307
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,880
some kind of a power source like

1308
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,640
electricity

1309
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,240
but i think it's more of a power source

1310
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:48,800
like in healing or

1311
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,480
spiritual energy possibly instead of

1312
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:54,559
instead of you know

1313
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,079
the electricity we need to run our

1314
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,319
okay i gotcha

1315
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,599
and again that's just a feeling

1316
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:05,200
you know it could be a combination of

1317
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,870
powerful

1318
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,640
energy so

1319
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,559
and in the beginning i thought i was

1320
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:18,880
thinking more electric electrical but

1321
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,960
now i'm thinking more

1322
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,880
you know

1323
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,319
body mind spirit

1324
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,880
right right okay all right all right got

1325
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:28,000
it

1326
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,359
so

1327
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,920
my next memory is i'm in this room and

1328
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,400
there's two two walls very straight one

1329
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,720
that's kind of concave again the walls

1330
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,960
are gray metallic

1331
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,040
you know rivet stove also seams

1332
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,200
very smooth

1333
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,839
and there's this overstuffed leather

1334
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,680
chair in the middle of the of the room

1335
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:50,000
and i remember thinking to myself

1336
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:50,960
how

1337
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:54,000
out of place it is

1338
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,160
and it looks comfortable but it's not

1339
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,720
so i never even sat in it or paid any

1340
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:03,200
more attention i focus my attention to

1341
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,000
this

1342
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,000
wall that's kind of concaved and i get a

1343
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:07,760
little closer to it and what i thought

1344
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,720
was a solid metal gray wall

1345
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,440
i could see through it

1346
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:16,400
it was like a wall window

1347
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:20,000
and again this wall is probably 15

1348
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,440
foot or better

1349
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,960
10 foot tall

1350
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,599
you know so it's big it's you know 10

1351
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,160
foot ceiling this is a big room

1352
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,079
you know in this big wall

1353
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,240
and i could see through it and i could

1354
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,640
see stars and planets and you know it

1355
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,240
was like i was out in the galaxy

1356
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,920
somewhere you know

1357
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,680
amazing did you recognize any of the

1358
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,800
planets

1359
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:42,880
no no i mean it was very often the

1360
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,520
distance you know it was

1361
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,280
just

1362
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:48,960
very surreal

1363
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,119
you know i i i didn't

1364
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,359
you know i didn't notice anything

1365
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,960
familiar

1366
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,599
at all it was just stars and planets and

1367
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,640
i'm just

1368
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,880
sitting there in awe

1369
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:02,960
and all of a sudden this little ship

1370
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,599
comes past me on the uh right outside

1371
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,440
this wall window

1372
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:10,240
and it jets past me you know

1373
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,359
and it's

1374
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,559
it's about eight nine ten foot past me

1375
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:16,800
and it stops

1376
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,520
and it comes back

1377
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,920
and you know i mean it was moving fast

1378
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,079
and then when it stopped it stopped on a

1379
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,680
dime

1380
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,520
it came back

1381
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,040
and

1382
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:31,520
it's right outside this wall

1383
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,119
it's probably about three foot long

1384
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,280
two foot at its wide is kind of a

1385
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,520
football rugby shape

1386
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,200
and it's got little

1387
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,400
yeah it's got like little

1388
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,359
wires antennas moving around shuffling

1389
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,079
around it had little lights blinking

1390
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,079
i could feel intelligence coming out of

1391
00:53:04,390 --> 00:52:53,520
it

1392
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:04,400
kind of thing you know right right or

1393
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,599
you know

1394
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,240
it stopped oh look at oh look at the

1395
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,040
monkey in on the in the zoo mom you know

1396
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,559
kind of thing you know like what are

1397
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,640
they doing with him there

1398
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,240
where did they get that thing you know

1399
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:18,480
oh my gosh i don't know

1400
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,920
it was just very strange and and

1401
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,000
it sat there for don't they call that

1402
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,440
rubber necking uh on the highway when

1403
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,520
you turn and you see an accident and

1404
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,920
you're like skirt what

1405
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,880
yeah

1406
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,480
you slam on your brakes and you have an

1407
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,480
accident yourself wow

1408
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,480
because it was just a couple of feet you

1409
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,720
know outside this wall it was like we

1410
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,640
were face to face you know it wasn't

1411
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,000
like it was

1412
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,720
you know 20 yeah i was face to craft it

1413
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,960
wasn't like it was 20 feet away you know

1414
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,839
anything

1415
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,680
right outside

1416
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:53,440
this

1417
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:57,280
you know wall window right

1418
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:58,160
and

1419
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:59,440
so

1420
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:00,480
and

1421
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,030
not too shabby there

1422
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,400
goodness

1423
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,800
that's probably so much more missing you

1424
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,559
know that's the thing is

1425
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,359
we we stay so open both chad and i this

1426
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,520
far into all of this because that's not

1427
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,760
you know our only event we've had we've

1428
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,240
had many things happening to us and the

1429
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,839
point is is that when we got when we

1430
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,440
were able to find this person to give

1431
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,200
chad regression

1432
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:33,920
a lovely lady but this was not an area

1433
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,559
she was familiar with and it was very

1434
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,680
evident

1435
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,000
once they got into the regression

1436
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,839
every time that you know chad would

1437
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,920
start to describe

1438
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,000
my take on this is being with a

1439
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,079
different kind of being

1440
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,720
she would sound afraid in the recording

1441
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:53,520
you'd hear nervousness in her voice

1442
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400
right

1443
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,559
and then she moved chad away from the

1444
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,119
experience and i'm like wait a minute no

1445
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,870
wow god right so you know the fact that

1446
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:09,359
he got that much is just mind-blowing to

1447
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,800
me but gosh i mean goodness well i i

1448
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:14,960
hate to say we gotta get to our our next

1449
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,480
break you guys you listen to me heidi

1450
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,079
alice the outlander and we will be right

1451
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,670
welcome back everybody you're listening

1452
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,520
to me heidi hollis the outlander

1453
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,040
remembering always if it's weird we're

1454
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,119
here we are speaking with chad and alta

1455
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,079
dillard that are just discussing

1456
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,559
a fascinating story don't mind the

1457
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,920
sirens in the background i live in

1458
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,160
chicago um

1459
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,109
it's uh this story if you think it's

1460
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,760
wild now you have no idea

1461
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,720
none

1462
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,760
on where it's going to go next so i will

1463
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,040
let you two just share away so

1464
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,280
chad got to get a tour of the universe

1465
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,670
and got got rubber necked by another ufo

1466
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,799
and uh now we're we're we're back to the

1467
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,240
french quarter i think i don't know

1468
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:07,920
where are we with

1469
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:10,960
it just gets deeper and deeper

1470
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:13,839
right so right we're back in the quarter

1471
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,480
uh if i might then our friend that was

1472
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,240
taken with us

1473
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,799
our our language for it taken she's

1474
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,480
given us permission

1475
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,720
but maybe very wisely on her part she

1476
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,480
never had any intention to ever go

1477
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,000
public or be

1478
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,760
and let me also mention very quickly nor

1479
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,920
did chad and i we never intended to be

1480
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,920
public with any of this we're certainly

1481
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,839
not add a book to all the billions of

1482
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,599
books that are out there

1483
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,160
but we discovered you know again we're

1484
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,480
on our own with this and we had enough

1485
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,799
folks that you know gave us credit for

1486
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,359
coming forward and said

1487
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,960
they thought it was worthy of a book so

1488
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,960
we've certainly given it our best shot

1489
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,160
but she

1490
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,240
made the you know conscious decision not

1491
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,559
to be public but i did get her portion

1492
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,160
of this in writing and i have that

1493
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,400
online i've not made that public yet

1494
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,680
either but the fact is is her account is

1495
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,520
so different

1496
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,359
than what you just heard from chad in

1497
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,960
his regression

1498
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,520
my experience is completely different

1499
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,319
than his or hers so we seem to all be

1500
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,559
having very different experiences so if

1501
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,000
i might i'd like to share what we know

1502
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,200
about

1503
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,200
please go there

1504
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:22,319
okay

1505
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:25,200
right so we we need to back up a short

1506
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,200
time prior to that night in 97

1507
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,760
i'm not sure how long but relatively

1508
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,520
very short amount of time whether it was

1509
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,920
days or weeks prior to us being taken in

1510
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,359
97

1511
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,480
our friend christine as i said is 24 not

1512
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,240
married no children

1513
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:44,799
very single she's dating a guy and i

1514
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,000
always use the words for a minute

1515
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,599
his name is will

1516
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,440
i called him dark boy because he was

1517
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,680
what i consider her polar opposite she's

1518
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,920
tall slender long blonde hair

1519
00:58:02,789 --> 00:57:58,799
very attractive she's got a very strong

1520
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:02,799
personality but no drama queen at all

1521
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,240
she uh she has a very firm what seems to

1522
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,400
be a good sense of right and wrong her

1523
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,599
right and wrong

1524
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,079
but again no drama point this guy that

1525
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,240
she's dating he's quite adorable but

1526
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,880
he's dark he's i call him dark boy he's

1527
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,640
got long dark hair

1528
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,280
and he is just you know he's not that

1529
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,839
gregarious kind of what have you

1530
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,079
um she only she only dates him as i say

1531
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,920
just for a very brief time when she

1532
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,119
decides

1533
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,400
she's ready to give them the my words

1534
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,640
i like your butt kind of story

1535
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,640
she invites him right she invites him

1536
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,960
over to her she lived in a duplex at the

1537
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:39,760
time

1538
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,760
and meet her over at the duplex they're

1539
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:45,920
standing out on her front porch

1540
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,359
she's got very clear view of what she's

1541
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,520
seeing he's only a couple inches in

1542
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,200
front of her face

1543
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,799
she says that she's beginning to tell

1544
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,760
him

1545
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,559
about she'd like to see other people

1546
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,400
whatever her language is

1547
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,720
and she's very direct but she's a

1548
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,640
sweetheart she'd never want to hurt

1549
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,760
somebody

1550
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,079
and she says that he becomes

1551
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,960
very emotional and the way she phrases

1552
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:12,960
it it's not only on the outside it seems

1553
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,520
to be from the inside as well

1554
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:17,119
i thought that very interesting

1555
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:19,839
statement because she says that he

1556
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:23,119
turned into a shape shifted

1557
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,480
into a wolf

1558
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,079
into a wall

1559
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,720
so now he is wolfy boy

1560
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,880
she said that she turned her head away

1561
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,200
instantly again remember he's only a

1562
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,880
couple inches in front of her face in

1563
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,079
daytime

1564
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,480
and she said she turned her head away i

1565
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,400
for one will never question anything

1566
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,480
she's ever said because that's what i

1567
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:44,559
did when we saw that i used the word

1568
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,760
floating city back in 95.

1569
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,240
my brain exploded i know hers exploded

1570
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,319
when this happened to her she looked

1571
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,319
back at him now this is all happening

1572
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,960
very quick when she looks back at him he

1573
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,880
must have shifted back into human and

1574
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,119
then shifted a second time

1575
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:03,280
when he did it the second time

1576
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,079
she said in a very stern voice i'll

1577
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:07,839
clean it up for the show

1578
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,440
you just turned into an effing wolf

1579
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,480
she said he responds in a very startled

1580
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,680
voice

1581
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,680
you saw that

1582
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,319
now that happens

1583
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,760
before

1584
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:23,760
we have this

1585
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:26,319
crazy experience huh

1586
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:27,280
right

1587
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,400
so

1588
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,400
her story is

1589
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,240
she remembers 11 on that corner with

1590
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,240
chad and i just the way we've described

1591
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:36,799
it for the most part now i have to admit

1592
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:39,599
when she rewrote this for me

1593
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,480
it was seven years or so after maybe

1594
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,720
even longer maybe eight years or so

1595
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:46,720
after our experience

1596
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,760
um

1597
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,839
what i noticed in her writing

1598
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:52,559
is that she's extremely vague

1599
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,359
meaning even though it was a weird night

1600
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:57,760
in that what hour and a half

1601
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,799
she doesn't hardly seem to remember

1602
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,200
as she states it walking across the

1603
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,799
corner with us

1604
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,319
it kind of is

1605
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:07,760
sort of blank

1606
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:09,760
and i found that very interesting

1607
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,240
because when we're having the experience

1608
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,559
the three of us you know before 11

1609
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,880
before our lights go out as they say or

1610
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,640
a light takes us

1611
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,319
she is

1612
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,240
you know engaged in interacting just

1613
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,599
like chad and i

1614
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,400
with what the hey is going on where is

1615
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,359
everybody kind of stuff right so

1616
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,599
anyhow her vagueness i found just very

1617
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:33,280
interesting it just seems to be leaving

1618
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,720
her you know this experience so anyhow

1619
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,680
uh

1620
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,000
her she claims that

1621
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,599
she remembers 11

1622
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:43,200
and then she says the next thing she

1623
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:44,319
knows

1624
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:45,760
she's behind the steering wheel of her

1625
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,960
moving car

1626
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,440
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1627
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,200
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1628
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,359
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1629
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,119
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1630
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,200
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1631
01:02:02,549 --> 01:01:59,680
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1632
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1633
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1634
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1635
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1636
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,359
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1637
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:13,599
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1638
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,680
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1639
01:02:20,309 --> 01:02:17,520
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1640
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,319
it's moving slowly it hits a parked car

1641
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:22,559
and it knocks off her rear view mirror

1642
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,520
which is what jolts for two

1643
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,119
she says it's in a whole nother section

1644
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:28,720
of the city from where she parked the

1645
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:31,040
car like miles away

1646
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,640
it's somewhere between three and four in

1647
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,119
the morning now she says that from 11

1648
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,520
until then it's missing there's nothing

1649
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,119
there

1650
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:40,960
she says the car you know the car's

1651
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,520
moving so she's coming too with her

1652
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,520
hands on the steering wheel

1653
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,280
now trying to take control i guess of

1654
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,520
not only her senses but what the hey is

1655
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:52,000
going on with this car where am i right

1656
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,599
right

1657
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,319
and next thing she knows she's in wolfy

1658
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:58,720
boys neighborhood

1659
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:01,359
well wolfie boy i assure you is somebody

1660
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,040
she would never

1661
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:04,480
ever

1662
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:08,240
choose to see again after having a

1663
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,599
mind-blowing experience i would say so

1664
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:12,720
right

1665
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,599
so she ends up in his neighborhood not a

1666
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,599
good neighborhood for her i mean he's in

1667
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,760
the hood and this is not where she needs

1668
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,280
to be at three and four in the morning

1669
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:23,680
tall skinny long blonde hair

1670
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,559
right

1671
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,720
she says his house is he's got an

1672
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,119
apartment that's like in a big old house

1673
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,880
it's been i think converted into like a

1674
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,200
poor plex something like that it's got a

1675
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,280
big gate like an iron gate around it

1676
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:37,440
it's normally locked the fence what have

1677
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:40,559
you and not this morning it's open

1678
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,799
so you know it's all just so creepy as i

1679
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:44,720
repeat this over the years is you've

1680
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,119
shared this story because it is as it

1681
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:49,119
feels to me as i repeat this like a

1682
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:50,160
really

1683
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:55,359
horror movie

1684
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,960
you know right you know because you

1685
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:58,720
paint the picture really clearly because

1686
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:02,240
it's just like yeah i mean i i i've seen

1687
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:03,520
enough of the

1688
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,799
uh american horror story uh

1689
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,559
little clips of it here and there and

1690
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:10,559
i'm like yeah this this fits right in

1691
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,440
this is yeah that's about it

1692
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,440
you've heard of skinwalkers right that's

1693
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:17,520
what this guy sounds like yeah

1694
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,160
absolutely i'm from arizona reservation

1695
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,000
area of arizona you know

1696
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,839
and i might also mention since you

1697
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:25,520
brought that up very quickly just with

1698
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,119
all the other high strengths in our

1699
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:29,440
lives when we moved to new orleans

1700
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,440
right after we moved to the quarter i

1701
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,200
have a photo that i have to this day

1702
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,760
that i keep on the table around me it's

1703
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,520
of my mother's last photo of my mother

1704
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,520
before she crossed my mother and i are

1705
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,039
in our regalia with each other i've

1706
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:43,359
always had my native regalia my mother

1707
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,200
and i had almost matching dresses we

1708
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,359
look very much alike the reason i bring

1709
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:49,280
that up is this is a large photo we're

1710
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:50,960
having a ceremony

1711
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:53,119
there's a there's a blonde woman in the

1712
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,359
front of that photo and it almost looks

1713
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,359
like the picture is being taken of her

1714
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:59,119
she's so obvious in the picture she was

1715
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,880
a good friend of ours after we moved

1716
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:01,839
here

1717
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:04,799
she happens to be from utah not only is

1718
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:07,440
she from utah her mother is a horse

1719
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,480
rancher

1720
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:11,200
who their property is right there

1721
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:12,720
right there

1722
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,319
for skinwalkers ranch where

1723
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,000
right now

1724
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,760
when we now we don't know nothing about

1725
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:22,240
skinwalker in 95.

1726
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,920
and i had no idea and she kept telling

1727
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,640
me you need to go to vernal utah

1728
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:28,000
you want to see

1729
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,280
alien

1730
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,520
and i'm like no i never said

1731
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,520
i never said that

1732
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,359
anyhow so it's just been that kind of

1733
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:37,760
bizarre connection so back to

1734
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,920
wolfie boy

1735
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:40,799
she

1736
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,559
steps of the porch

1737
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,559
he's sitting like right inside the dame

1738
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:48,960
freaking door the door is wide open it's

1739
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,599
either a screen door or just wide open

1740
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:53,520
she steps up in there and he's playing

1741
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,039
guitar like under a overhead lamp

1742
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:59,200
i mean it's just so bizarre yeah that

1743
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,559
yes

1744
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,720
right she says he stops playing guitar

1745
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,680
and she's

1746
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:05,680
walking towards him which just shocks me

1747
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:07,760
and she said then she becomes

1748
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,079
i call this a controlled hysteria but

1749
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:13,119
she defines it as hysterical where she's

1750
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,520
just crying and we've known her we're

1751
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,119
still connected to her all these years

1752
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,880
later and i just don't remember her

1753
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,280
crying let me just say that she's just

1754
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:23,119
not that kind of person

1755
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,559
i'm the crier

1756
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:26,640
i don't remember that with her well

1757
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,039
she's becoming you know emotionally

1758
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,200
coming apart at the seams she says he

1759
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,680
puts a guitar down he walks her into a

1760
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,359
room and lays her down she says she

1761
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:37,280
cries herself to sleep

1762
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,799
she said that

1763
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,880
she wakes up probably an hour or so

1764
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,880
later she figures because the sun seems

1765
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,720
to just be rising

1766
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:46,400
she says she's dressed it doesn't look

1767
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,640
like he's done anything to her

1768
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,799
she said she gets up and she gets the

1769
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,640
again cleaning up the language flock out

1770
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:54,960
of dodge and doesn't look bad

1771
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:57,920
now that's her last encounter with him

1772
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,960
but now chad you go ahead yeah alta alta

1773
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,960
didn't mention when he when she came

1774
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:04,559
through the door

1775
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,440
he looked up at her and said either i've

1776
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:10,160
been or we've been waiting on you

1777
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,559
waiting for you waiting whoa

1778
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:14,720
what the heck does that mean

1779
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:17,680
right so now if we might just to finish

1780
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,960
again that portion of this story off

1781
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,359
this all took place in 97

1782
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,000
fast forward to 2001.

1783
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:28,960
chad and i have i use the word imploded

1784
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,200
we have come apart him and i

1785
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,200
and we've had our separation chad

1786
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,280
decides to leave new orleans goes to

1787
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:37,599
alabama where his family live he's going

1788
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:39,760
to go to work for his dad i choose to

1789
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,160
stay behind that was not a good move on

1790
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:44,000
my part not a good move on either of our

1791
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,160
part but me in particular because i'm

1792
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,880
not doing well i'm become a workaholic

1793
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,400
so i'm throwing myself into work just to

1794
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,960
keep myself going i get out of work one

1795
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:54,720
afternoon and it's a beautiful day and

1796
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,760
the streets are packed like i'm used to

1797
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:59,839
the i hear somebody yell my name across

1798
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,880
the crowd

1799
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,119
i got that weird name so that stands out

1800
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,400
so when i look i see this very tall and

1801
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,799
when i say tall i'm not exaggerating he

1802
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,559
looks like an alien

1803
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:12,559
guy that is a friend of ours that we

1804
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,480
haven't seen in a couple of years who

1805
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,279
comes originally from montauk new york

1806
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,880
now again at the time i didn't know

1807
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:20,560
nothing i just heard you giggle i didn't

1808
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,950
so he's a traveling artist well he when

1809
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,400
i say he's tall

1810
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,799
without exaggeration close to seven

1811
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:33,759
chance

1812
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:35,759
confirming he's close to seven

1813
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,560
i'm six too and i have to look at him

1814
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,319
way up out of here and he's slender to

1815
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:42,000
boot so you know just makes him look

1816
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:45,679
like a tall giant well he

1817
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,159
asked me to have a drink so we sit down

1818
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,000
at a little outside cafe

1819
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,799
he orders a coke i get a beer

1820
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,880
by the by the time it takes him to roll

1821
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,640
a cigarette

1822
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,480
we're talking about chad and i being

1823
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,799
separated he's very distraught about

1824
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,440
this so this is where his mindset is and

1825
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,040
that's what we're talking about and then

1826
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,000
all of a sudden out of nowhere he shifts

1827
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,839
the conversation

1828
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:10,799
to

1829
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:14,239
hey have you heard about will

1830
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:14,960
now

1831
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:17,120
again i'm like

1832
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,560
what

1833
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,480
will

1834
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,839
dark boy

1835
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,600
how do you know him

1836
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,679
i'm thinking what this is

1837
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:27,040
wait a minute

1838
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:28,080
so

1839
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,279
just staying in the flow of the

1840
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:32,000
conversation as best as i can do it yeah

1841
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,279
i'm like uh

1842
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,000
no and i didn't even know you knew me

1843
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,400
well as i say that now it's not as odd

1844
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,400
as i'm making it sound when i think back

1845
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,799
about it because he's an artist and lots

1846
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,480
of artists in this community and

1847
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:46,400
everybody sort of mingles and finds each

1848
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,440
other if you will yeah so

1849
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,600
so then all of a sudden he says

1850
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:53,600
yeah he says he's gone around telling

1851
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:54,640
everybody

1852
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,280
he's gonna he's gotta catch a bus

1853
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,280
and get out of town because the aliens

1854
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:00,960
are after him

1855
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,560
now i just to finish that off heidi

1856
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:06,719
my point of all of this is

1857
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,440
now i'm feeling i'm feeling real

1858
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,199
perturbed inside

1859
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,000
i'm getting extremely irritated

1860
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:15,440
i

1861
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:23,120
really bad

1862
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:24,560
camera

1863
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,520
right

1864
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:27,199
where were you at that giggle when i

1865
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,390
you know this is a shape-shifting wolfy

1866
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,960
boy that's got to catch a bus

1867
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:45,280
because the aliens are after him i mean

1868
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:46,239
really

1869
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,400
about him is

1870
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:53,360
that he is originally from

1871
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,120
louisiana the lower his mom i believe

1872
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,520
was a swamp witch what they call a swamp

1873
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:01,199
witch yeah

1874
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:02,880
and down here they have what they call

1875
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:07,830
which is a werewolf

1876
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,640
swamp werewolf type creature so right it

1877
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,600
was just you know after you start

1878
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:15,840
educating yourself after having these

1879
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,750
it sounds like he was in cahoots with

1880
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,600
aliens with you guys having the mixed

1881
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:27,920
experience that night period

1882
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:30,320
you know right

1883
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,800
it's crazy it's crazy if you upset them

1884
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:34,080
and

1885
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:35,840
we just again

1886
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,080
just just trying to repeat it and share

1887
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,800
it as as it's unfolding itself you know

1888
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,400
i i got to tell you guys something i

1889
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:44,719
just saw an episode this is probably an

1890
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,440
older episode of paranormal witness

1891
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,000
and the episode called the wolf pack did

1892
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,840
you see that one

1893
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,520
no but i love that show but i haven't

1894
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,800
seen oh

1895
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:57,120
you've gotta gotta see this one because

1896
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,400
there were some

1897
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,800
very strange lights in the backyard of

1898
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,719
these people and then all of a sudden

1899
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:04,080
there's these

1900
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,360
seven to eight foot tall like wolf like

1901
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,080
people creatures in there yeah and it's

1902
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,719
but it seemed like an a ufo dropped him

1903
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,480
off or something so

1904
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,880
it's very interesting

1905
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,239
what's that

1906
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,560
was this in louisiana or is this

1907
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,880
uh this was in maine

1908
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,800
believe it or not yeah that makes sense

1909
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,360
yeah that makes as much sense as all the

1910
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:30,000
rest of it well i'd also like to mention

1911
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:30,960
again

1912
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,199
because i as i said i have become our

1913
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,280
researcher

1914
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,320
due to you know it's been kind of

1915
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,400
by my choice to not give up on any of

1916
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,480
this and try to gain as much information

1917
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,120
and what i have discovered is so far

1918
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,880
we're not finding anybody else that's

1919
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,719
come forward in print

1920
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,239
about ever having these kinds of

1921
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,480
encounters these so-called what everyone

1922
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:55,040
else is using the terms aliens or ets or

1923
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,199
what have you i've just always referred

1924
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:59,760
to as the beings and what you know my

1925
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,960
just my own

1926
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,800
certain language on this

1927
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,640
but nobody's ever come forward in print

1928
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,800
about having this happen to them

1929
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,719
and yet i know that there are many here

1930
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,120
that are having these experiences

1931
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,360
and then again we created the word

1932
01:13:17,669 --> 01:13:15,440
abducted for the purpose of that's

1933
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,679
exactly what chatty calls because

1934
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:19,360
happened to us

1935
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,239
which is

1936
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:22,800
amazing that i was mentioning to you

1937
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:24,480
during the break i had a gentleman on

1938
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,560
name chris brown who spoke of a giant

1939
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,880
orb that came up to him and the silence

1940
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,480
that surrounded it

1941
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,400
and and here you guys are like we heard

1942
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:34,480
that episode i'm like what that's just

1943
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,040
amazing so absolutely

1944
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:38,960
your book people have got to check this

1945
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,199
book out now it's called orb o rb ducted

1946
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,600
it is a beautiful looking book i must

1947
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:47,840
tell you and now how can people get a

1948
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:49,120
hold of this

1949
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:50,320
book

1950
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,080
page uh there's uh

1951
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,320
it's same title or abducted in the

1952
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,239
french quarter

1953
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:03,360
i do have a link there for etsy or you

1954
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,159
can contact me uh directly and we can go

1955
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:08,719
through paypal whichever you prefer

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01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,080
uh if you're in the french quarter area

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01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,120
you can come by uh earth odyssey they

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01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,159
are carrying it uh for sale there

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01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,840
and also october 19th

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if you're in the french quarter area or

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01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,440
new orleans area

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01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,360
we're going to be doing a book signing

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01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,960
at a very

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01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,199
nice gallery it's called

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01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:32,800
gallery two

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01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,400
it's on the 800 block of royal street

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01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:38,560
and the french quarter yeah in the

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01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:41,679
french quarter it it has a lot of really

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01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,719
cool ufo art and stuff like that that

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01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,800
that

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01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:48,560
you know it's very uh

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01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:51,920
great on that topic as far as our um

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01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:53,679
our setting

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01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:55,679
so the facebook page what should they

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01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:58,239
look for just look for uh

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01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:00,159
was that inducted in the french quarter

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01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,080
yeah objective in the french quarter and

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01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:04,800
then they can contact me if they want to

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01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:07,120
you know go through etsy or

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01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:08,159
or

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01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:11,360
i think i've got the etsy uh link up

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01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:12,960
there somewhere you might have to kind

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01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,120
of scroll down for it but okay and we'd

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01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,960
also like to mention if we might real

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01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:19,280
quick heidi for anybody out there that

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01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,000
is

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01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,640
experiencing or having these experiences

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01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,880
and just would like to share safely with

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01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,040
somebody right let's chat announcer we

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01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,679
would love to you know we'd love to just

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01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,520
make ourselves available if anybody just

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01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,360
needs somebody safe to

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01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:35,120
connect with

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01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,800
oh that's beautiful i mean a lot of

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01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,520
people do need to need to vent and

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01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,080
connect it really is healing because so

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01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,480
many don't get it they just don't but

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01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,239
you know we've got a few minutes left

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01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:48,560
yet so please do uh fit in what you'd

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01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:49,440
like

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01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,159
so you you've you've experienced this

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01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:54,719
crazy night i mean it's just

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01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,920
but it goes on it's it's not over

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01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:00,320
right well again i had a whole

2005
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:02,719
completely different experience

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01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:03,440
so

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01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,320
there is a female that's on the book on

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01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,840
the back of the book

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01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,040
cover

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01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,120
excuse me uh

2011
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,840
an artist rendition of what i believe i

2012
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,080
was encountering who i was encountering

2013
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,640
on that night in my experience i'm 11

2014
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,080
o'clock on that street corner just

2015
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,600
wanting to go home

2016
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,600
and using that language next thing i

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01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:25,280
know i'm standing on the edge of a

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01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:26,320
crater

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01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,159
i look like i'm in the middle of a black

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01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,400
and white movie of the so-called moon

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01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:31,679
landings

2022
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,480
um to give you a visual this is exactly

2023
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,480
what it looks like around me

2024
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,239
i'm looking down in the crater it's a

2025
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:40,880
large crater it's got what appear to be

2026
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:43,840
orb lights all around the perimeter of

2027
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:45,760
the of the crater

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01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:48,159
these lights are these orbs of light are

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01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:49,040
white

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01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,239
and they are

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01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:52,159
you know a double

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01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:54,640
large watermelon size

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01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,760
and they go all the way around the

2034
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:57,679
perimeter as my lighting

2035
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,040
when i look down in the bottom of that

2036
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:01,679
crater there's a big metallic structure

2037
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:03,520
i don't know if it's a

2038
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,800
hanger a craft i don't know what it is

2039
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:08,400
there's no movement down there at all

2040
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,400
that's all that i see now keep in mind

2041
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:12,880
everything is happening very fast

2042
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,960
before i can take any more time to take

2043
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,280
that in i'm aware that there is

2044
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,800
something behind me

2045
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:20,560
i kind of pivot around i don't

2046
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,040
completely turn around there are this is

2047
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,199
the creepiest part of this story is if

2048
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:27,760
all of it's not creepy

2049
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,800
there appear to be human looking people

2050
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,440
dog piled behind me several feet behind

2051
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,440
me there's only like

2052
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:37,360
i know at least two

2053
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:38,960
three possibly

2054
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,640
again it's all happening very fast

2055
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,480
different ages i think there's a young

2056
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,400
female an older man

2057
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,080
they're all dressed they look like

2058
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,320
they're in suspended animation i don't

2059
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,480
see any distress but again before i can

2060
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,679
do anything

2061
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,120
now i'm aware

2062
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,719
oh wait a minute there's something right

2063
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:57,040
next to me now yikes

2064
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:57,760
so

2065
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,800
i don't

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01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,840
uh

2067
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,920
i don't as i say i don't physically move

2068
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,320
very much i just pivot back around

2069
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,040
and it's her and the her is that artist

2070
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:09,040
rendition of this female this blonde

2071
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:10,239
female

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01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:11,600
she

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01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:16,400
what i consider i have no idea until i'm

2074
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:18,159
having this experience my idea of

2075
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:19,440
perfection

2076
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,400
outwardly and inwardly she has long

2077
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:24,960
blonde hair she's got a body suit on and

2078
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,400
she is in perfect proportion

2079
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,719
i am so happy to be with her i just want

2080
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,960
to express that i can't say that strong

2081
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:35,040
enough i don't care who she is i don't

2082
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,120
want to ask any questions i don't care

2083
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,280
about anything i've said this before my

2084
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:41,520
emotions are if i was a puppy and i had

2085
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,560
a tail

2086
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:45,360
my tail is wagging off i am so happy to

2087
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:46,800
be with her

2088
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:50,159
and i feel i'm home whatever that means

2089
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,679
i feel i'm home

2090
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,920
my head then goes up

2091
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,520
you know my head goes back further where

2092
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,600
i'm looking now up into the sky

2093
01:19:01,430 --> 01:19:00,239
it's a black sky with what look like

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01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,440
diamonds

2095
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,719
shining it

2096
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,480
these stars are so beautiful they look

2097
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:06,239
like diamonds

2098
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:06,960
as

2099
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,679
that's what i'm experiencing and i'm so

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01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,960
happy

2101
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:14,800
i want to go up into those

2102
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,600
into those stars those diamonds as i'm

2103
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:19,120
in all this excitement all of a sudden

2104
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:20,960
one of those start to move

2105
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,920
i go from an instant state of bliss

2106
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,640
to a state of terror because i have

2107
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:29,040
something called logic if that can exist

2108
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,760
pop back into my mind and it tells me

2109
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,920
those stars can't do that something is

2110
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:35,040
wrong

2111
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,239
and so i immediately change and tear my

2112
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,080
heart's racing out of my chest she

2113
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,320
telepathically speaks to me

2114
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,239
in the most beautiful tone i can't

2115
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,640
imagine it ever being duplicated she

2116
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,400
calls me by name she speaks to me in

2117
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,480
english and she says alta

2118
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:52,560
don't be afraid they're just scanning

2119
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,440
you

2120
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,520
at that very moment then

2121
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,600
i then wake up the next i don't wake up

2122
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,679
i come to the next morning sitting up in

2123
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,199
my living room

2124
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:03,280
wow of course there's so much more after

2125
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,360
that oh my goodness

2126
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,360
yeah we've less than a minute there's so

2127
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,520
much to the story i i love to let you

2128
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:11,679
guys just speak your story because your

2129
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,400
story is absolutely amazing but

2130
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,320
oh my gosh i want to thank you both for

2131
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:18,480
coming on the show again and you know i

2132
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,000
i don't think you should be strangers i

2133
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,840
think you should come back again another

2134
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,480
time so we'll definitely keep in touch

2135
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:26,080
your book is

2136
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,440
orb ducted in the french quarter and

2137
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:31,600
it's just it's fascinating and i you

2138
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,400
guys are so brave and uh so talented in

2139
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,159
the way that you express yourselves and

2140
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,320
your sincerity so thank you once again

2141
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:40,400
for coming on

2142
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,320
can't begin to thank you enough honest

2143
01:20:46,630 --> 01:20:43,920
to goodness just can't begin to thank

2144
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,640
you enough and and we thank you

2145
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,800
for the sake of you being there for so

2146
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,280
many of us to give us a voice and we're

2147
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,120
just so appreciative anytime that you'd

2148
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:56,000
have us we consider it an honor heidi oh

2149
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:58,239
you're kidding me you guys are awesome

2150
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,719
don't be a stranger seriously so keep in

2151
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,400
touch and uh we're gonna chat after the

2152
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,040
show you and i so hold the line

2153
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:07,040
so you guys we've come to the the bottom

2154
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:10,000
of another exciting program i i love

2155
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,600
these two these two are absolutely

2156
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,600
fascinating so remember you could catch

2157
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,159
me here every friday at 8 pm central 9

2158
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,600
p.m eastern you've been listening to me

2159
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,280
heidi hollis the outlander remembering

2160
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:21,040
always if it's weird we're here good

2161
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:22,210
night everybody